<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style>
</head>
<body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="#954F72">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:blp@ovn.org">Ben Pfaff</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:01 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:discuss@openvswitch.org">discuss@openvswitch.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[ovs-discuss] options for OVN mailing lists, with a survey</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi!<br>
<br>
TL;DR: please answer the simple question at the end of the email.<br>
<br>
Since Open vSwitch and OVN are now separate projects, it would be a good<br>
idea to separate their mailing lists as well. This is easier said than<br>
done for at least two reasons:<br>
<br>
* Mailing lists are troublesome to manage these days. There are<br>
few service providers that are willing to do the job. Even<br>
Linux Foundation just subcontracts them. The current OVS<br>
lists are grandparented in but LF is not willing to add more<br>
lists under the same terms.<br>
<br>
* OVN and Open vSwitch have given out email addresses to<br>
individual contributors at ovn.org and Linux Foundation has<br>
only given half-hearted assurances that they can do this.<br>
<br>
We are now considering our options. One factor is the different ways<br>
that a mailing list can be run. There are three major categories:<br>
<br>
* "Open": anyone may post to the list regardless of whether they<br>
subscribe (although spam gets dropped to some degree of<br>
accuracy) and it will be delivered immediately.<br>
<br>
This is how ovs-dev is configured. We have to configure it<br>
that way because ovs-dev gets CCed from linux-kernel and<br>
netdev on a regular basis and that community expects mailing<br>
lists to be open and will yell at us if they are not.<br>
<br>
* "Moderated": anyone may post to the list, but if they are not<br>
subscribed to it then it is diverted to a moderation queue. A<br>
moderator then glances at it to make sure it isn't spam, and<br>
if it isn't, directs it to the list. ALSO: the moderator<br>
generally adds the sender email address to the list of allowed<br>
sender addresses. Thus, the FIRST email from a given sender<br>
is delayed, but not subsequent ones.<br>
<br>
This is how the rest of the OVS mailing lists are configured.<br>
Justin and I are the current moderators. I probably spend<br>
only a minute or two a day on it, it's easy work.<br>
<br>
I do not know of any commercial service providers that support<br>
this configuration.<br>
<br>
- "Closed": only subscribers may post. Others' emails are<br>
rejected. OVS doesn't configure lists this way.<br>
<br>
Commercial service providers, including LF's, do support this<br>
configuration.<br>
<br>
If it is acceptable for OVN mailing lists to be closed, then we could do<br>
something relatively easy:<br>
<br>
* Continue to manage ovn.org email addresses for individuals in<br>
our current way, which works.<br>
<br>
* Create a new lists.ovn.org MX host and turn it over to LF's<br>
service provider to implement closed OVN mailing lists.<br>
<br>
Question: would it be acceptable for OVN mailing lists to be closed, so<br>
that emails from non-subscribers are rejected? (See the definition of<br>
"closed" above.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ben.<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
discuss@openvswitch.org<br>
<a href="https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-discuss">https://mail.openvswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/ovs-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[Alin Serdean] I think it is acceptable as long as anyone can subscribe.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>