[ovs-dev] [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and restore

Tony Liu tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 31 17:49:15 UTC 2020


Thanks Han! It's clear!

Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Han Zhou <hzhou at ovn.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:11 AM
> To: Tony Liu <tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Han Zhou <hzhou at ovn.org>; Numan Siddique <nusiddiq at redhat.com>; ovs-
> dev <ovs-dev at openvswitch.org>; ovs-discuss <ovs-discuss at openvswitch.org>
> Subject: Re: [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and restore
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:07 PM Tony Liu <tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Hi Han,
> 
> 	ovsdb-client backup and restore work as expected. Sorry for the
> false alarm.
> 	I messed up with the container. When restore the snapshot for nb-db,
> sb-db is
> 	updated accordingly by ovn-northd.
> 
> 
> 
> Great!
> 
> 
> 
> 	I think this man page should be updated saying RAFT cluster is also
> supported
> 	by backup and restore.
> 	http://www.openvswitch.org/support/dist-docs/ovsdb-client.1.txt
> 
> 
> 
> I didn't see it saying RAFT cluster is not supported in the above
> document. Probably you misunderstood this statement:
> "Reads  snapshot,  which  must  be  a OVSDB standalone or active-backup
> database"
> The backup file you generated from ovsdb-client backup command is in
> OVSDB standalone format, which is mentioned in the "backup" document.
> 
> 
> In addition, the document ovsdb(7) also made it clear that this is the
> right way to backup/restore clustered DB.
> Did this clarify?
> 
> 
> 
> 	Thanks!
> 
> 	Tony
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: Han Zhou <hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >
> 	> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:19 PM
> 	> To: Tony Liu <tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> 	> Cc: Numan Siddique <nusiddiq at redhat.com
> <mailto:nusiddiq at redhat.com> >; Han Zhou <hzhou at ovn.org
> <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >; ovs-
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> 	> Subject: Re: [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and restore
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:04 PM Tony Liu <tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com>
> 	> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> > > wrote:
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Hi,
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Just update, finally make this snapshot/rollback work for
> me.
> 	>
> 	>       The rollback is not live though. Here is what I did.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       1. Make a snapshot by ovsdb-client. Assuming no ongoing
> 	>
> 	>          Transactions, and data is consistent on all nodes. The
> 	>
> 	>          Snapshot can be done on any node. It doesn't include any
> 	>
> 	>          cluster info. That's probably why the man page says this
> is
> 	>
> 	>          for standalone and A/B only. But that cluster info seems
> 	>
> 	>          not required to restore.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       2. To rollback/restore, stop services on all nodes,
> starting
> 	>
> 	>          from followers to the leader.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       3. Pick a node as the new leader, copy snapshot to be the
> DB
> 	>
> 	>          file. Then start the service. A cluster with new cluster
> ID
> 	>
> 	>          will be created. The node will be allocated a new server
> ID
> 	>
> 	>          as well.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       4. On the rest two nodes, remove the DB file, restart
> service
> 	>
> 	>          with remote-address pointing to the leader.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Now, the new cluster starts working with the rollback data.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> The steps you gave may work, but it is weird. It is better to
> just
> 	> follow the steps mentioned in this section:
> 	>
> 	>
> https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/blob/master/Documentation/ref/ovsdb.7
> 	> .rst#backing-up-and-restoring-a-database
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       "ovs-client restore" doesn't work for me, not sure why.
> 	>
> 	>       ====
> 	>
> 	>       ovsdb-client: ovsdb error: /dev/stdin: cannot identify file
> type
> 	>
> 	>       ====
> 	>
> 	>       I tried to restore the snapshot created by backup, also the
> 	>
> 	>       Directly copied DB file, neither of them works. Wondering
> anyone
> 	>
> 	>       experienced such issue?
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> Maybe your command was wrong. Could you share your command line,
> and the
> 	> version used?
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       To Numan, it would great if you could share the details to
> use
> 	>
> 	>       Neutron-ovn-sync-util.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Thanks!
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Tony
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       From: Tony Liu <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> 	>       Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:51 PM
> 	>       To: Numan Siddique <mailto:nusiddiq at redhat.com
> <mailto:nusiddiq at redhat.com> > ; Han Zhou
> 	> <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >
> 	>       Cc: Han Zhou <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org
> <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> > ; ovs-dev <mailto:ovs- <mailto:ovs->
> 	> dev at openvswitch.org <mailto:dev at openvswitch.org> > ; ovs-discuss
> <mailto:ovs-discuss at openvswitch.org <mailto:ovs-
> discuss at openvswitch.org> >
> 	>       Subject: Re: [ovs-dev] [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and
> restore
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Hi Numan,
> 	>
> 	>       I found this comment you made a few years back.
> 	>
> 	>       - At neutron-server startup, OVN ML2 driver syncs the
> neutron
> 	>       DB and OVN DB if sync mode is set to repair.
> 	>       - Admin can run the "neutron-ovn-db-sync-util" to sync the
> DBs.
> 	>
> 	>       Could you share the details to try those two options?
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Thanks!
> 	>
> 	>       Tony
> 	>
> 	>       From: Tony Liu<mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> 	>       Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:38 PM
> 	>       To: Han Zhou<mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >
> 	>       Cc: Han Zhou<mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >;
> ovs-dev<mailto:ovs- <mailto:ovs->
> 	> dev at openvswitch.org <mailto:dev at openvswitch.org> >; ovs-
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> discuss at openvswitch.org> >
> 	>       Subject: Re: [ovs-dev] [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and
> restore
> 	>
> 	>       Hi,
> 	>
> 	>       I have another thought after some diggings. Since I am with
> 	>       OpenStack, all networking configurations are from OpenStack.
> 	>       I could snapshot OpenStack MariaDB, restore and run
> 	>       neutron-ovn-db-sync to update OVN DB. Would that be a
> cleaner
> 	>       solution?
> 	>
> 	>       BTW, I got this error when restore the OVN DB.
> 	>       ovsdb-client: ovsdb error: /dev/stdin: cannot identify file
> type
> 	>
> 	>       The file was created by "backup" command.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Thanks!
> 	>
> 	>       Tony
> 	>
> 	>       From: Tony Liu<mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> 	>       Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:41 PM
> 	>       To: Han Zhou<mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >
> 	>       Cc: Han Zhou<mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >;
> ovs-dev<mailto:ovs- <mailto:ovs->
> 	> dev at openvswitch.org <mailto:dev at openvswitch.org> >; ovs-
> discuss<mailto:ovs-discuss at openvswitch.org <mailto:ovs-
> discuss at openvswitch.org> >
> 	>       Subject: Re: [ovs-dev] [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and
> restore
> 	>
> 	>       Hi,
> 	>
> 	>       A quick question here. Given this man page.
> 	>       http://www.openvswitch.org/support/dist-docs/ovsdb-
> client.1.txt
> 	>
> 	>       It says backup and restore commands are for OVSDB
> standalone and
> 	>
> 	>       active-backup databases.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Can they be used for RAFT cluster? If not, what would be
> the
> 	> concern,
> 	>
> 	>       like inconsistency?
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       If I restore to a follower, is the request going to be
> forwarded to
> 	> the
> 	>
> 	>       leader to restore DB for the whole cluster? But I believe
> it's
> 	> recommended
> 	>
> 	>       to restore to the leader directly for performance sake.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       I am going to give it a try anyways, see how it works. Will
> make
> 	> sure
> 	>
> 	>       there is no configuration update from OpenStack side while
> running
> 	> such
> 	>
> 	>       snapshot and restore process.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Thanks!
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Tony
> 	>
> 	>       From: Han Zhou<mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >
> 	>       Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 12:23 PM
> 	>       To: Tony Liu<mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> 	>       Cc: Han Zhou<mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >;
> ovs-discuss<mailto:ovs- <mailto:ovs->
> 	> discuss at openvswitch.org <mailto:discuss at openvswitch.org> >; ovs-
> dev<mailto:ovs-dev at openvswitch.org <mailto:ovs-dev at openvswitch.org> >
> 	>       Subject: Re: [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and restore
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:56 AM Tony Liu
> <tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com>
> 	> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com>
> 	> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> > >> wrote:
> 	>       Hi Han,
> 	>
> 	>       That doc helps. I will run some tests and update here. The
> use case
> 	> I want
> 	>       to cover is snapshot/rollback and backup/restore.
> 	>
> 	>       ========
> 	>       Actually, "at-least-once" consistency, because OVSDB does
> not have
> 	> a session
> 	>       mechanism to drop duplicate transactions if a connection
> drops
> 	> after the server
> 	>       commits it but before the client receives the result.
> 	>       ========
> 	>       I saw duplicated datapath bindings for the same logical
> switch once,
> 	> if you
> 	>       recall. This may explain that. The ovn-northd connection to
> sb-db
> 	> is dropped
> 	>       before receiving the result. So ovn-northd initiates
> another
> 	> transaction to
> 	>       create datapath binding for the same logical switch.
> 	>
> 	>       Yes, this is a possibility.
> 	>       However, in reality, this is usually not a problem:
> 	>
> 	>       1) If DB schema has table keys properly defined, the
> redundant
> 	> transaction from clients would be rejected by DB server because
> of key
> 	> constraint check. In the datapath binding case, this doesn't work
> 	> because of the poor definition of the datapath_binding table. It
> should
> 	> have had "logical_switch_router" column defined and set as a key
> (in
> 	> addition to the "tunnel_key") instead of storing it in
> external_ids. The
> 	> duplicated entries would have been avoided. The other tables such
> as
> 	> port_binding would never have such problem.
> 	>
> 	>       2) OVSDB clients usually monitors and syncs all (interested)
> data
> 	> from server to local, so when they do declarative processing,
> they could
> 	> correct problems by themselves. In fact, ovn-northd does the
> check and
> 	> deletes duplicated datapaths. I did a simple test and it did
> cleanup by
> 	> itself:
> 	>       2020-07-30T18:55:53.057Z|00006|ovn_northd|INFO|ovn-northd
> lock
> 	> acquired. This ovn-northd instance is now active.
> 	>       2020-07-30T19:02:10.465Z|00007|ovn_northd|INFO|deleting
> 	> Datapath_Binding abef9503-445e-4a52-ae88-4c826cbad9d6 with
> duplicate
> 	> external-ids:logical-switch/router ee80c38b-2016-4cbc-9437-
> f73e3a59369e
> 	>
> 	>       I am not sure why in your case north was stuck, but I agree
> there
> 	> must be something wrong. Please collect northd logs if you
> encounter
> 	> this again so we can dig further.
> 	>
> 	>       I see two ways to improve it.
> 	>       1) On client side, if the connection is broken while
> waiting for
> 	> the result
> 	>          of a transaction, the client checks the transaction
> state,
> 	> committed or not,
> 	>          when it reconnects to the leader (maybe a different
> node).
> 	>          Do we have such check today?
> 	>
> 	>       Clients does check. In this case when transaction was
> actually
> 	> successful but appears to be failed from client point of view,
> the check
> 	> doesn't help.
> 	>
> 	>       2) I see client connection is dropped by the leader when
> it's busy.
> 	> I don't
> 	>          think this is a good way to control the traffic. The
> server can
> 	> cache and
> 	>          hold the request when it's busy, or even push back.
> Dropping
> 	> connection
> 	>          is not a good option. Any thoughts here?
> 	>
> 	>       The server doesn't make this kind of decisions. It could be
> simply
> 	> overloaded and disconnected from the cluster, or even worse, a
> node
> 	> could crash after commiting the transaction.
> 	>
> 	>       Thanks,
> 	>       Han
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       Thanks!
> 	>
> 	>       Tony
> 	>
> 	>       From: Han Zhou<mailto:hzhou at ovn.org <mailto:hzhou at ovn.org> >
> 	>       Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:38 PM
> 	>       To: Tony Liu<mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> 	>       Cc: ovs-discuss<mailto:ovs-discuss at openvswitch.org
> <mailto:ovs-discuss at openvswitch.org> >; ovs-
> 	> dev<mailto:ovs-dev at openvswitch.org <mailto:ovs-
> dev at openvswitch.org> >
> 	>       Subject: Re: [ovs-discuss] [OVN] DB backup and restore
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>       On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:58 PM Tony Liu
> <tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com>
> 	> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> >
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com>
> 	> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:tonyliu0592 at hotmail.com> > >> wrote:
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Hi,
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > There is any guidance to backup and restore OVN nb-db and
> sb-db?
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Is /var/lib/openvswitch/ovn-[ns]b/ovn[ns]b.db the only
> database
> 	> file?
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > For 3-node DB cluster, is replication 3 (the data is
> replicated
> 	> onto
> 	>       >
> 	>       > All 3 nodes)?
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Are DB files on 3 nodes identical?
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > If I stop a DB follower and empty the DB file on the
> follower
> 	> node,
> 	>       >
> 	>       > when I start it back, is the whole DB going to be
> replicated to
> 	> it?
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > To backup the DB, is it OK to copy the DB file from any
> node,
> 	> assuming
> 	>       >
> 	>       > no transaction ongoing?
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Is the following going to work to restore the DB?
> 	>       >
> 	>       > * Stop all 3 DBs.
> 	>       >
> 	>       > * Copy backup DB file to one node, empty DB file on the
> rest two
> 	> nodes.
> 	>       >
> 	>       > * Bootstrap the node with DB file.
> 	>       >
> 	>       > * Start the rest two nodes to join the cluster.
> 	>       >
> 	>
> 	>       For ovsdb operations, please refer to "man 7 ovsdb", or
> here:
> 	>
> https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/blob/master/Documentation/ref/ovsdb.7
> 	> .rst
> 	>
> <https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/blob/master/Documentation/ref/ovsdb.
> 	> 7.rst>
> 	>
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Do I need to restore sb-db as well? Or restore nb-db only
> and let
> 	>       >
> 	>       > ovn-northd to sync data from nb-db to sb-db. Chassis data
> should
> 	> be
> 	>       >
> 	>       > updated by onv-controller?
> 	>       >
> 	>
> 	>       You don't have to restore sb-db. ovn-northd and ovn-
> controllers
> 	> will sync the data in SB DB.
> 	>       However, it may take quite some time to sync if the scale
> is large.
> 	>       Also, remember that the mac_binding table in SB will not be
> 	> restored by ovn-controller because it is populated as a result of
> ARP
> 	> packets handling by ovn-controller. The entries will be generated
> again
> 	> only if new ARP packets are observed by ovn-controller.
> 	>
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > I am running scaling test. It takes quite a lot of time
> to build
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Configurations. Wondering if I can back and restore DB to
> 	> rollback
> 	>       >
> 	>       > to some checkpoint to avoid restart all over.
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Thanks!
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       > Tony
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
> 	>       >
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