[ovs-discuss] options for OVN mailing lists, with a survey
Frode Nordahl
frode.nordahl at canonical.com
Wed Jun 10 20:08:21 UTC 2020
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:01 PM Ben Pfaff <blp at ovn.org> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> TL;DR: please answer the simple question at the end of the email.
>
> Since Open vSwitch and OVN are now separate projects, it would be a good
> idea to separate their mailing lists as well. This is easier said than
> done for at least two reasons:
>
> * Mailing lists are troublesome to manage these days. There are
> few service providers that are willing to do the job. Even
> Linux Foundation just subcontracts them. The current OVS
> lists are grandparented in but LF is not willing to add more
> lists under the same terms.
>
> * OVN and Open vSwitch have given out email addresses to
> individual contributors at ovn.org and Linux Foundation has
> only given half-hearted assurances that they can do this.
>
> We are now considering our options. One factor is the different ways
> that a mailing list can be run. There are three major categories:
>
> * "Open": anyone may post to the list regardless of whether they
> subscribe (although spam gets dropped to some degree of
> accuracy) and it will be delivered immediately.
>
> This is how ovs-dev is configured. We have to configure it
> that way because ovs-dev gets CCed from linux-kernel and
> netdev on a regular basis and that community expects mailing
> lists to be open and will yell at us if they are not.
>
> * "Moderated": anyone may post to the list, but if they are not
> subscribed to it then it is diverted to a moderation queue. A
> moderator then glances at it to make sure it isn't spam, and
> if it isn't, directs it to the list. ALSO: the moderator
> generally adds the sender email address to the list of allowed
> sender addresses. Thus, the FIRST email from a given sender
> is delayed, but not subsequent ones.
>
> This is how the rest of the OVS mailing lists are configured.
> Justin and I are the current moderators. I probably spend
> only a minute or two a day on it, it's easy work.
>
> I do not know of any commercial service providers that support
> this configuration.
>
> - "Closed": only subscribers may post. Others' emails are
> rejected. OVS doesn't configure lists this way.
>
> Commercial service providers, including LF's, do support this
> configuration.
>
> If it is acceptable for OVN mailing lists to be closed, then we could do
> something relatively easy:
>
> * Continue to manage ovn.org email addresses for individuals in
> our current way, which works.
>
> * Create a new lists.ovn.org MX host and turn it over to LF's
> service provider to implement closed OVN mailing lists.
>
> Question: would it be acceptable for OVN mailing lists to be closed, so
> that emails from non-subscribers are rejected? (See the definition of
> "closed" above.)
I think it would be acceptable to require people to subscribe to the
OVN list before they may post to it, given we maintain an open
subscription policy.
--
Frode Nordahl
> Thanks,
>
> Ben.
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